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Re: Shifting demographics - Racism lives on

Posted By: Interested bystander
Date: Friday, 4 February 2005, at 9:12 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Shifting demographics - Racism lives on (dave9x)

Dear 9x: I have been following these posts and can see the points made by both sides. I'm curious though: do you live in Fort Lee? what is your ethnic background? Do you have children in Fort Lee schools? Do you own a home or rent?

You are right in that ethnic minorities experience the same kind of feeling "like an outsider" that the poster "Another Voice" bemoans. However, there's one difference. The Asians moving into Fort Lee have CHOSEN to move from their home countries because they believe life is better in the US. They KNEW they would be a minority here, and in fact they are experiencing much greater acceptance in the US than an American would experience if living in Korea, for example, because Korea is virtually 100% Korean with no history or understanding of diversity.

On the other hand, a white American living in Fort Lee (or any other town) is understandably a bit upset when the town he has known for decades is changing in a way that he did not anticipate, and where the incoming population essentially has no use for him. There's no direct "pushing out" of American culture and no animosity on the part of Koreans that I can see for whites, but they live separate lives. Of course, over time, the Koreans will inevitably become Americanized through their children. But right now and for the foreseeable future, what Another Voice sees is a town whose new residents are bringing foreign language, stores, and institutions that serve their needs exclusively.

In a large city like NY, this diversity is not an issue, because ethnic groups for the most part establish their own neighborhoods. But when a town with 30,000 residents experiences it, it doesn't allow for that kind of separation and it is harder to adjust to.

This is a complex issue where a fair observer can have many different perspectives, all of them being valid.

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Shifting demographics
Mike -- Monday, 21 January 2002, at 12:04 p.m.
Re: Shifting demographics
inspector -- Thursday, 31 January 2002, at 8:56 a.m.
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Mike -- Thursday, 31 January 2002, at 10:19 a.m.
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carol -- Saturday, 2 February 2002, at 7:06 p.m.
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Mike -- Monday, 4 February 2002, at 12:12 p.m.
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councilman tom meyers -- Saturday, 9 February 2002, at 7:19 p.m.
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Interested citizen -- Monday, 11 February 2002, at 11:40 a.m.
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Resident -- Monday, 11 February 2002, at 2:08 p.m.
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councilman tom meyers -- Monday, 11 February 2002, at 10:52 p.m.
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carol -- Thursday, 14 February 2002, at 11:41 p.m.
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inspector -- Friday, 15 February 2002, at 6:53 a.m.
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OBSERVER -- Wednesday, 17 April 2002, at 9:51 p.m.
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Old Timer -- Monday, 20 May 2002, at 7:49 p.m.
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guamanian -- Saturday, 27 March 2004, at 8:40 p.m.
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House hunter -- Tuesday, 30 March 2004, at 9:17 a.m.
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this thread is straight out of bizarro world -- Sunday, 6 June 2004, at 2:51 a.m.
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Long time Fort Leeite -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 11:58 a.m.
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Long time Fort Leeite -- Thursday, 24 June 2004, at 5:12 p.m.
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Linda Elaine -- Wednesday, 28 July 2004, at 9:29 a.m.
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Long time Fort Leeite -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:57 p.m.
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observer -- Tuesday, 24 August 2004, at 11:36 a.m.
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Joe Piccio -- Monday, 15 November 2004, at 11:22 a.m.
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Old timer -- Monday, 15 November 2004, at 5:35 p.m.
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Joe Piccio -- Friday, 3 December 2004, at 5:00 p.m.
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Old timer -- Monday, 6 December 2004, at 9:36 a.m.
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Ralph -- Monday, 6 December 2004, at 11:15 a.m.
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Old timer -- Wednesday, 8 December 2004, at 1:24 p.m.
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counselor -- Tuesday, 4 January 2005, at 12:02 a.m.
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dave9x -- Tuesday, 25 January 2005, at 1:33 p.m.
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Another voice -- Thursday, 27 January 2005, at 3:25 p.m.
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dave9x -- Monday, 31 January 2005, at 2:43 p.m.
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Another voice -- Wednesday, 2 February 2005, at 4:19 p.m.
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dave9x -- Thursday, 3 February 2005, at 11:36 a.m.
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Interested bystander -- Friday, 4 February 2005, at 9:12 a.m.
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dave9x -- Friday, 4 February 2005, at 9:55 a.m.
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Googler -- Friday, 4 February 2005, at 10:50 a.m.
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dave9x -- Wednesday, 9 February 2005, at 1:43 p.m.
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Googler -- Thursday, 10 February 2005, at 5:16 p.m.
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dave9x -- Friday, 11 February 2005, at 8:24 p.m.
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Googler -- Monday, 14 February 2005, at 12:56 p.m.
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dave9x -- Wednesday, 16 February 2005, at 8:36 a.m.
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Tom Meyers -- Sunday, 13 February 2005, at 3:18 p.m.
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Long time Fort lee resident -- Wednesday, 23 February 2005, at 9:12 a.m.
Fort Lee's Future
Tom -- Sunday, 27 February 2005, at 10:21 a.m.
Re: Fort Lee's Future
Long time Fort lee resident -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 8:35 a.m.
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WTF -- Tuesday, 10 May 2005, at 10:33 a.m.
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MADONNA SCHOOL KID -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 12:35 p.m.
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MADONNA SCHOOL KID -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 12:39 p.m.
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Linda Elaine -- Wednesday, 28 July 2004, at 9:25 a.m.
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Mike -- Tuesday, 30 March 2004, at 1:17 p.m.
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Robin -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 12:07 a.m.
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sharon -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 4:15 p.m.
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Mike -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 8:59 a.m.
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sharon -- Monday, 12 April 2004, at 3:24 p.m.
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Linda Elaine -- Tuesday, 20 April 2004, at 3:55 p.m.
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Linda Elaine -- Tuesday, 20 April 2004, at 3:53 p.m.
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Mike -- Wednesday, 21 April 2004, at 12:07 p.m.
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tiffani -- Sunday, 23 May 2004, at 11:18 p.m.
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Mike -- Tuesday, 25 May 2004, at 1:49 p.m.
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Houseseeker -- Thursday, 6 June 2002, at 2:47 p.m.
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Fort Lee-ite -- Friday, 7 June 2002, at 8:55 a.m.
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Old timer -- Friday, 7 June 2002, at 2:55 p.m.
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Fort Lee-ite -- Monday, 10 June 2002, at 9:07 a.m.
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Old timer -- Monday, 10 June 2002, at 5:56 p.m.
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Fort Lee-ite -- Tuesday, 11 June 2002, at 9:05 a.m.
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Old timer -- Tuesday, 11 June 2002, at 6:26 p.m.
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COP LOVER -- Wednesday, 12 June 2002, at 9:09 a.m.
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Dennis -- Saturday, 15 June 2002, at 10:51 p.m.
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Janice -- Saturday, 27 July 2002, at 8:49 a.m.
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Interested citizen -- Friday, 15 February 2002, at 8:45 a.m.
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carol -- Sunday, 17 February 2002, at 10:41 a.m.
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tapestrybabe -- Wednesday, 26 February 2003, at 11:53 a.m.
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AN OBSERVER -- Saturday, 16 February 2002, at 8:12 p.m.
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councilman tom meyers -- Sunday, 17 February 2002, at 1:16 p.m.
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Dennis -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 3:16 a.m.
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COUNCILMAN TOM MEYERS -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 11:48 p.m.
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Dennis -- Friday, 21 June 2002, at 12:20 a.m.
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COUNCILMAN TOM MEYERS -- Friday, 21 June 2002, at 12:34 a.m.
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omg! -- Friday, 21 June 2002, at 9:26 a.m.
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COUNCILMAN TOM MEYERS -- Friday, 21 June 2002, at 5:29 p.m.
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omg! -- Monday, 24 June 2002, at 9:06 a.m.
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COUNCILMAN TOM MEYERS -- Monday, 24 June 2002, at 5:57 p.m.
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David M. Coyte -- Tuesday, 9 July 2002, at 10:19 a.m.
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JUST ME. -- Wednesday, 10 July 2002, at 9:43 p.m.
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Dennis -- Tuesday, 16 July 2002, at 12:57 a.m.
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Dennis -- Friday, 21 June 2002, at 9:46 p.m.
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California Kid -- Thursday, 16 December 2004, at 9:49 p.m.
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councilman tom meyers -- Monday, 11 February 2002, at 6:09 p.m.
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AN OBSERVER -- Monday, 11 February 2002, at 9:36 p.m.
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salest -- Saturday, 25 May 2002, at 1:29 a.m.
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Jean-Marie -- Saturday, 25 May 2002, at 8:24 a.m.
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Mike -- Tuesday, 28 May 2002, at 4:55 p.m.
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Linda Elaine -- Tuesday, 12 February 2002, at 1:01 p.m.
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Resident -- Wednesday, 13 February 2002, at 9:32 a.m.
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Ethnic Resident -- Monday, 4 February 2002, at 12:45 p.m.
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Mike -- Tuesday, 5 February 2002, at 8:56 a.m.
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Actually.... -- Friday, 23 April 2004, at 8:41 a.m.
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Connie -- Friday, 23 April 2004, at 2:06 p.m.
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AN OBSERVER -- Saturday, 2 February 2002, at 7:24 p.m.
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the truth -- Monday, 4 February 2002, at 10:33 p.m.
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Mike -- Tuesday, 5 February 2002, at 8:48 a.m.
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the truth -- Tuesday, 5 February 2002, at 11:52 p.m.
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Mike -- Wednesday, 6 February 2002, at 8:53 a.m.
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Linda Elaine -- Tuesday, 12 February 2002, at 1:06 p.m.
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AN OBSERVER -- Saturday, 16 February 2002, at 8:06 p.m.

 

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